Post #610210 by emspace on Fri, Oct 14, 2011 12:04 PM

I notice you ain't in the Menehunes any more, lucky - the ONE band I know of that really got it. Son las cosas de la vida, eh? Yeah, this alienation from CRAP - really painful and bitter for me, not being a club-joiner and all...and I think Bong has the fortitude to stand up to my criticism. And yeah, I'm elitist, if by that you mean I hate shit and am content to point it out when shit is shit. Better an elitist than an open storm drain accepting every bit of shit the current washes into it, I always say. Elitist is a badge of honor for me - it's just you saying "Hey, this guys isn't full of shit! He actually is passionate enough about something to learn it and know it and give a damn about it - the bastard!"

And to say SoCal is the "hub" of Tiki is just more shit. Heart and head, lucky, wherever you are, or it just isn't worth a damn.

So here we find just one of numerous examples of threads about Hawaiiana not being Tiki: http://www.tikicentral.com/viewtopic.php?mode=viewtopic&topic=41170&forum=13&start=0

You know what? Poi WAS served at tourist luaus - I have a nice Hilton Hawaiian Village "King Kamehameha Luau" menu that was tucked into my signed copy of "The Folk Music of Hawaii in Book and Record" by the Sons of Hawaii, and poi is listed there - not that I needed that to prove it, as I have eaten poi at tourist luaus myself.

And here's the definitive current position statement on Tiki it seems: "Just because something was traditionally associated with tiki does not mean we need to continue that tradition."

That's right - you can in fact take a dump on EVERYTHING that was traditionally associated with Tiki and remake it in your own image - just as you ARE doing. And Sven: I mean you too. You're just scrambling to keep up with the changes imposed by the kiddie noobs, and it's pathetically obvious, although your first book was still brilliant - no mention of surf music or suggestion of Hawaiiana not being part of Tiki to be found, anywhere. How ABOUT that, eh?

If Hawaii isn't Tiki and the Creepy Creeps are - I'm out. Here for your enlightenment is an email from a great friend, a non-member, who is also a musician who incidentally plays in a punk band and has no investment whatever in the Tiki (insert sound of my spit hitting the floor) scene:

"I think this is what Vincent Bugliosi would call a ‘mental poverty’ issue. Tiki is not and never was a FORM OF MUSIC, though there may have been music associated with it in its day, and it would be possible to play in that style today. Sure as heck wouldn’t be punk or rockabilly though. I’m thinking more maybe Martin Denny, or of course actual Polynesian music.

What a buncha wankers. I think you nail it when you say anything THEY like is now officially Tiki. It’s so illiterate, that kind of worldview. Trying to impose yourself on stuff that’s already happened, and had nothing to do with you. Read your fcking history, shtsticks!"

And with those wise words - aloha!